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Post by BIT0102-Mohaimin on Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:02 am

We are going to arrange a Workshop on C Programming at IIT, starting on 18 June. Target participants are BIT03, however, anyone can join.

The program is to be maintained by BIT01. If you are interested to take classes, please reply to this topic.

The workshop will cover very basic levels of C. If you are already good at the topic, the workshop may not help you a lot.

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This edit is made after getting feedback from the first 5 posts bellow. I am talking directly about the facts so it may sound rude. I apologise if it is so.

Now, the workshop was proposed by the teachers, not the students but the teachers want it to be organised by the students. The start time is decided by Mahbubul Alam Joarder sir, and he is probably going to be in charge. May be he will be present in some of the classes too.

To be clear about the goal of the workshop. This is not about helping the good guys to do better, its about pushing up comparatively weaker students to a standard level. So if you are already good in Programming and preparing yourself for contest, this workshop may not help you much.

And for the seniors, if you want to help by taking classes, make sure that you can stay a low level with terms, definitions and other stuffs. For example, you should use "Header files" instead of "Library" unless you define the term.


Last edited by BIT0102-Mohaimin on Mon Jun 06, 2011 1:08 am; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : The first edition was confusing. Edited to clarify confusions.)

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0220-Iftekhar on Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:11 am

I think BIT02 can also help them in some way as they are closer to us. Can we take assistance classes?

I assume the goal is to prepare them for upcoming contests.
And,as some of us(BIT02) are currently solving ACM problems, we'll be glad to help you in your cause. Smile

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0112-Rokon on Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:25 am

Offtopic,

@Mohaimin, I think we should make another workshop for Java, as they are going to start it asap.Smile

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0220-Iftekhar on Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:06 am

BIT0112-Rokon wrote:I think we should make another workshop for Java, as they are going to start it asap.Smile
That would be a great idea Rokon vai. I vote for it.
And I'll surely gonna be a listener of that workshop. Very Happy

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0122-Amit on Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:47 pm

there are two issues that should be considered actually.

1. We tend to forget what we were, when we were young. Means, what is very basic level to us, might be a bit advanced for them. (No underestimation intended)

2. They completed their first semester, so should know the basics, right? Specially considering that three teachers took combined C classes.

I think we should at least get a decent idea about what we should deliver to them, no?

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0208-Shuvo on Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:43 pm

We are going to arrange a Workshop on C Programming at IIT, starting on 18 June. Target participants are BIT03, however, anyone can join.

There is some problems with the date , because BIT03 is now attending their exam and it will be finished at 16th June and you can assume that most of the students will not remain in Dhaka .So , how will you take classes ??? Rolling Eyes

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0102-Mohaimin on Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:57 pm

I am sorry I forgot to mansion one very important thing in the title post. The target participants are BIT03 students who are comparatively weak in the class. Not those who are doing good and probably will compete among themselves to participate Programming Contests.

Also, I am not the one who proposed the workshop, Its their course teachers.

Shuvo, Joarder Sir decided that day.

I am adding these things in the first post.

Rokon, I will talk to you about this.

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0102-Mohaimin on Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:06 pm

I have made a rough of the possible things to be discussed in the workshop. The sequence is not necessarily as it is here. I need your feedback for the sequence.
  • Programming basics and C programming basic.
  • Data types and variables
  • Program control statements
  • Arrays
  • Character arrays, string
  • I/O


If we can cover all these, then:
1. Structures and Unions
2. Pointers

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0107-Toma on Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:18 am

I am interested in taking class.

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0130-Shakkhor on Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:16 am

I have an idea.
Why don't we make this a C/C++ workshop. I think we can do this in 3 days wit 3 hour lectures each day. Very Happy

Also, instead of Java, let's teach 'em C#. They'll learn Java in their academic courses, and this will help 'em avoid vendor lock-in. Very Happy

Edit: C++ and C# won't be targeted for weak students of 3rd batch. They'll be targeted towards 2nd batch and optionally 3rd batch.

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0102-Mohaimin on Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:48 am

BIT0130-Shakkhor wrote:Edit: C++ and C# won't be targeted for weak students of 3rd batch. They'll be targeted towards 2nd batch and optionally 3rd batch.
I would really love to organise a workshop on a OOP language. You have already figured out the problem.

I hope we will do something like that later. In the intern time. If not possible, immediately after we come back to IIT after internship.

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0220-Iftekhar on Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:23 am

Shakkhor vai wrote:I have an idea.
Also, instead of Java, let's teach 'em C#. They'll learn Java in their academic courses, and this will help 'em avoid vendor lock-in. Very Happy

Edit: C++ and C# won't be targeted for weak students of 3rd batch. They'll be targeted towards 2nd batch and optionally 3rd batch.
I was almost praying to hear something like this.
Feeling lucky actually that we're getting such huge assistance from you.
Hope this plan executes successfully.

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0220-Iftekhar on Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:24 am

Shakkhor vai wrote:I have an idea.
Also, instead of Java, let's teach 'em C#. They'll learn Java in their academic courses, and this will help 'em avoid vendor lock-in. Very Happy

Edit: C++ and C# won't be targeted for weak students of 3rd batch. They'll be targeted towards 2nd batch and optionally 3rd batch.
I was almost praying to hear something like this.
Feeling lucky actually that we're gonna get such huge assistance from you.
This plan should execute successfully.

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0122-Amit on Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:33 pm

Neutral আমি খালি একটা জিনিষ ভাবছি।

কোনগুলায় স্যার থাকবে সেটা কি আগে থেকে জানার উপায় আছে?

আর আমার ভাষা একটু খটমটে বলে আমার ধারণা। Neutral সেইটে নিয়ে একটু চিন্তায় আছি।

সামনাসামনি কথা বলা গেলে ভালো হইতো 1st batch এর সাথে।

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0102-Mohaimin on Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:25 pm

BIT0122-Amit wrote:Neutral আমি খালি একটা জিনিষ ভাবছি।

কোনগুলায় স্যার থাকবে সেটা কি আগে থেকে জানার উপায় আছে?
Dont know.

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0122-Amit on Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:35 pm

So, here is what I understand.

We are going to conduct a workshop on C for students who are not exactly very well acquainted with C.

Now, it is proposed that we will probably teach


  • Programming basics and C programming basic.
  • Data types and variables
  • Program control statements
  • Arrays
  • Character arrays, string
  • I/O


If we can cover all these, then:
1. Structures and Unions
2. Pointers

What are we trying to accomplish here?
We want to make the students of first year better in C, right?

Now, here is the question.
Why do we think that they will understand these concepts in 3 days, each for 3 hours when they failed to understand these in the previous 6 months? They were taught by more than qualified teachers.

The reason, in my opinion, is that they do not know what is programming itself yet. They probably do not know how to think like a programmer. And finally, they do not know the reason for programming.

Lets face the facts. Learning programming for the sake of earning good marks is a really poor motivation.

I suggest that these matters be included in Programming basics. And this part should be given the most priority.

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0102-Mohaimin on Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:21 am

I suggest that these matters be included in Programming basics. And this part should be given the most priority.
You got the point Wink

Why do we think that they will understand these concepts in 3 days, each for 3 hours when they failed to understand these in the previous 6 months? They were taught by more than qualified teachers.
Its not 3 days. Its 7 days. But still your point works. I don't have the answer either. I told earlier that the workshop is proposed by the teachers.
One bad answer may be, they will not have any exams/classes. So they can concentrate far better than the last 6 months.


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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0111-muctadir on Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:16 pm

Well, I can help with c only. If there is room let me know...

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0122-Amit on Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:57 pm

I think we should seat together and decide who should do what. that's why I wanted to seat with first batch guys. Very Happy

And as second batch is also interested, they can come as well.

So, when are we meeting?

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0102-Mohaimin on Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:38 pm

BIT0111-muctadir wrote:Well, I can help with c only. If there is room let me know...
Its all about C and there is a lot of room.

I think we should seat together and decide who should do what. that's why I wanted to seat with first batch guys.
Agreed.

And as second batch is also interested, they can come as well.
I think we will need them.

So, when are we meeting?
Muctadir is already back. I don't know about Anik. We should meet as soon as he is back.

Alim called me and assured that he will be with us.
Rayhan did not reply anything.

So, we currently have
Alim, Amit, Anik, Mohayemin, Muctadir, Shakkhor, Tajkia from 1st batch.
Iftekhar and Shuvo from 2nd Batch.
Total 9. Not bad.

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0102-Mohaimin on Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:43 pm

I am creating a Facebook Event on this. The reason is, 3rd batch are not very regular in the forum. (Not a single post on this topic by any of them).

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0122-Amit on Fri Jun 10, 2011 8:50 pm

Joined there. I think the facebook page should contain a link to this page. So others who didn't notice this topic can take a look here from that page.

Also, the main reason why 3rd batch didn't respond should be their ongoing exams.

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0102-Mohaimin on Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:50 pm

Lets meet on Wednesday. I will be available that day.

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Re: C Programming Workshop at IIT

Post by BIT0122-Amit on Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:56 pm

I can come as well Very Happy

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